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		<title>Comment on The Law and the Gospel: from the Perspective of Acts 10.34-43 by westminster1643</title>
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		<description>If only Dr. Kwan had taken the time to read through my sermon notes carefully and digest my case thoughtfully, he might have arrived at a better understanding of my position. As it is, however, Dr. Kwan both greatly misunderstands my overall position and, consequently, when attempting to rebut me he grossly distorts key points of my position. I never stated that we are saved by observing the Law; yet, bizarrely, Dr. Kwan suggests that I did. In fact, what I said was, ‘Once Peter had been saved by grace and was trusting in that grace day by day, he gained a fresh perspective on the law. It was a guide that instructed Christians on how to live a life that is pleasing to God.’ How Dr. Kwan was able to misconstrue this statement so that it became a plea for legalism is, frankly, beyond me. I would have thought that the double stress on grace (‘...saved by grace...trusting in that grace...’) would have been clear enough. Obviously, even this clear statement was not enough. Yet the problem does not lie with my statement, which is perfectly clear (we are saved by grace and must trust in it on a daily basis), but with Dr. Kwan’s reading of my notes.

But far more concerning than Dr. Kwan’s misreading of my thoughts is his misunderstanding of God’s saving grace. A central question is this:

&lt;strong&gt;Do we have access to God through our obedience to Jesus’s words or does Christ’s obedience to God’s words grant us access to God?&lt;/strong&gt;

Dr. Kwan affirms the former clause.

Consider his words:

&lt;blockquote&gt;...all who have eaten and drunk His flesh and blood...have access to God only through obedience to Jesus’ words, which is why the Father ‘commands to disciples is...”Listen to Him”. James the younger in Acts 15, brought the church back under the curse of the Law when his judgment was adopted by the Council at Jerusalem, through partial observance of the Law. Hence such confusion now amongst Christians. Blood drinkers and eaters have no access to God through the Law, that is why Paul never agreed with the observance of the law by disciples and that the Law has no power over us. As for the morality that is defined in the Law..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where to begin? I wish I had the time to reply to several points that Dr. Kwan raises. I could say something about the overtones of the doctrine of transubstantiation that are evident in his presentation of the Lord’s Supper or his reductionistic handling of the Holy Spirit (only the performance of miraculous powers proves the worth of a believer) but my schedule constrains me to respond to the most disturbing point he makes, having to do with our obedience to Christ’s words.

Dr. Kwan says that all who have consumed the flesh and blood of Jesus ‘have access to God only through obedience to the Jesus’ words.’ Listen very carefully to what is being stated. Kwan writes: we ‘have access to God only through obedience to the Jesus’ words.’ This is an extremely telling statement that should not be overlooked; it speaks volumes. It contradicts the foundational tenets of the Protestant faith. From the beginning of the Protestant Reformation, the battle cry of the Reformers was ‘by grace alone, through faith alone, by Christ alone.’ The Reformers understood what the Roman church had obscured: Humans contribute nothing to their salvation. As one believer put it, ‘The only thing I brought to the act of salvation was my sin.’ The belief that God does it all for us while we were still sinners arises from the fertile soil of Scripture: ‘For by grace you were saved through faith and this was not your own doing, it is the gift of God not a result of works so that no one may boast’ (Ephesians 2.8, ESV). However, if Dr. Kwan is correct and we are able to gain access to God only through obedience to Jesus’ words then the stress (signaled by the exclusionary word ‘only’) is on something we do: we obey the words of Jesus. If this is the case, then our obedience is a contributing factor that forms the basis of our salvation. As Dr. Kwan says, it is the only way we have access to God. Therefore, according to Dr. Kwan’s own statement, we do have grounds for boasting. We obeyed. But this contradicts the clear teaching of Ephesians 2.8, cited above and referenced in my sermon.

This strikes me as very odd. Dr. Kwan accuses me of being legalistic, yet he advances a teaching of salvation that is fundamentally legalistic. According to Dr. Kwan, we obeyed the words of Jesus; that’s the way we gained access to God. Obviously, both the teaching of the Bible and the witness of the creeds of the confessional church militate against a legalistic teaching of salvation. Dr. Kwan needs to be asked, What about grace? Surely that is the only way we gain access to God’s glorious presence.

Dr. Kwan states, ‘Blood drinkers and eaters have no access to God through the Law, that is why Paul never agreed with the observance of the law by disciples and that the Law has no power over us.’ But surely the reason Paul castigated those inside the church who were relying on the Law (and forcing others to do likewise) had nothing to do with &lt;em&gt;breaking&lt;/em&gt; the Law (as Dr. Kwan argues). Paul castigated the legalists because they were &lt;em&gt;relying on their observance of the Law as the means of salvation&lt;/em&gt;; this is the quintessential problem of legalism (by the way, legalism is a mishandling of the Law which I characterized as incorrect in my sermon notes—again, if only Dr. Kwan had read through my notes and digested what I had actually written rather than jump to conclusions!). The legalists were adding to saving grace a supplement. They believed in and promoted the doctrine that it was grace &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; works of the law that together saved a person. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only Dr. Kwan had taken the time to read through my sermon notes carefully and digest my case thoughtfully, he might have arrived at a better understanding of my position. As it is, however, Dr. Kwan both greatly misunderstands my overall position and, consequently, when attempting to rebut me he grossly distorts key points of my position. I never stated that we are saved by observing the Law; yet, bizarrely, Dr. Kwan suggests that I did. In fact, what I said was, ‘Once Peter had been saved by grace and was trusting in that grace day by day, he gained a fresh perspective on the law. It was a guide that instructed Christians on how to live a life that is pleasing to God.’ How Dr. Kwan was able to misconstrue this statement so that it became a plea for legalism is, frankly, beyond me. I would have thought that the double stress on grace (‘&#8230;saved by grace&#8230;trusting in that grace&#8230;’) would have been clear enough. Obviously, even this clear statement was not enough. Yet the problem does not lie with my statement, which is perfectly clear (we are saved by grace and must trust in it on a daily basis), but with Dr. Kwan’s reading of my notes.</p>
<p>But far more concerning than Dr. Kwan’s misreading of my thoughts is his misunderstanding of God’s saving grace. A central question is this:</p>
<p><strong>Do we have access to God through our obedience to Jesus’s words or does Christ’s obedience to God’s words grant us access to God?</strong></p>
<p>Dr. Kwan affirms the former clause.</p>
<p>Consider his words:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;all who have eaten and drunk His flesh and blood&#8230;have access to God only through obedience to Jesus’ words, which is why the Father ‘commands to disciples is&#8230;”Listen to Him”. James the younger in Acts 15, brought the church back under the curse of the Law when his judgment was adopted by the Council at Jerusalem, through partial observance of the Law. Hence such confusion now amongst Christians. Blood drinkers and eaters have no access to God through the Law, that is why Paul never agreed with the observance of the law by disciples and that the Law has no power over us. As for the morality that is defined in the Law..</p></blockquote>
<p>Where to begin? I wish I had the time to reply to several points that Dr. Kwan raises. I could say something about the overtones of the doctrine of transubstantiation that are evident in his presentation of the Lord’s Supper or his reductionistic handling of the Holy Spirit (only the performance of miraculous powers proves the worth of a believer) but my schedule constrains me to respond to the most disturbing point he makes, having to do with our obedience to Christ’s words.</p>
<p>Dr. Kwan says that all who have consumed the flesh and blood of Jesus ‘have access to God only through obedience to the Jesus’ words.’ Listen very carefully to what is being stated. Kwan writes: we ‘have access to God only through obedience to the Jesus’ words.’ This is an extremely telling statement that should not be overlooked; it speaks volumes. It contradicts the foundational tenets of the Protestant faith. From the beginning of the Protestant Reformation, the battle cry of the Reformers was ‘by grace alone, through faith alone, by Christ alone.’ The Reformers understood what the Roman church had obscured: Humans contribute nothing to their salvation. As one believer put it, ‘The only thing I brought to the act of salvation was my sin.’ The belief that God does it all for us while we were still sinners arises from the fertile soil of Scripture: ‘For by grace you were saved through faith and this was not your own doing, it is the gift of God not a result of works so that no one may boast’ (Ephesians 2.8, ESV). However, if Dr. Kwan is correct and we are able to gain access to God only through obedience to Jesus’ words then the stress (signaled by the exclusionary word ‘only’) is on something we do: we obey the words of Jesus. If this is the case, then our obedience is a contributing factor that forms the basis of our salvation. As Dr. Kwan says, it is the only way we have access to God. Therefore, according to Dr. Kwan’s own statement, we do have grounds for boasting. We obeyed. But this contradicts the clear teaching of Ephesians 2.8, cited above and referenced in my sermon.</p>
<p>This strikes me as very odd. Dr. Kwan accuses me of being legalistic, yet he advances a teaching of salvation that is fundamentally legalistic. According to Dr. Kwan, we obeyed the words of Jesus; that’s the way we gained access to God. Obviously, both the teaching of the Bible and the witness of the creeds of the confessional church militate against a legalistic teaching of salvation. Dr. Kwan needs to be asked, What about grace? Surely that is the only way we gain access to God’s glorious presence.</p>
<p>Dr. Kwan states, ‘Blood drinkers and eaters have no access to God through the Law, that is why Paul never agreed with the observance of the law by disciples and that the Law has no power over us.’ But surely the reason Paul castigated those inside the church who were relying on the Law (and forcing others to do likewise) had nothing to do with <em>breaking</em> the Law (as Dr. Kwan argues). Paul castigated the legalists because they were <em>relying on their observance of the Law as the means of salvation</em>; this is the quintessential problem of legalism (by the way, legalism is a mishandling of the Law which I characterized as incorrect in my sermon notes—again, if only Dr. Kwan had read through my notes and digested what I had actually written rather than jump to conclusions!). The legalists were adding to saving grace a supplement. They believed in and promoted the doctrine that it was grace <em>and</em> works of the law that together saved a person.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Law and the Gospel: from the Perspective of Acts 10.34-43 by dr.edmond kwan</title>
		<link>http://thechiefaim.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/acts-1034-43/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>dr.edmond kwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Jesus taught His disciples to eat His flesh and drink His blood,by faith we broke the Law irrevocably and are cut off fromm God by the Law..as such all who have eaten and drunk His flesh and blood are no longer under the Law(Lev 17),but have access to God only through obedience to Jesus&#039; words,which is why the Father &#039; commands to disciples is..&quot;Listen to Him&quot;. James the younger in Acts 15,brought the church back under the curse of the Law when his judgement was adopted by the Council at Jerusalem,through partial observance of the Law. Hence such confusion now amongst christians. Blood drinkers and  eaters have no access to God through the Law,that is why Paul never agreed with the observance of the law by disciples and that the Law has no power over us.As for the morality that is defined in the Law..the purpose of morality is so that we can be trusted with miraculous power.One of the biggest problem is the loss of personal miraculous power so that anyone who has faith in Jesus can do what he has been doing,and even the greater things so that John14:12 is fulfilled.Most christians practice the words of Jesus without miraculous power,which is like driving a car without a battery. Until a disciple has been endowed with the power of the Holy Spirit to do what Jesus has been doing..open the eyes of the blind,multiply the food..so he can testify for Jesus,it is impossible to see the words of Jesus from his perspective. The law remains valid for jews and nonbelievers..but as for those who have parttaken of His flesh and blood..they are cut of by the Law so that christ alone is our righteuosness..and since he alone is our righteuosness what need have we of anyone else&#039;s words.Hence the Father only ever commanded disciples to listen to Him..but even the eleven often did not listen to Jesus.It is when one understands how Jesus actually did the redemption and became the sin offering that we might be the righteouness of God, that one can see what an insult partial observance of the law is to God and why the men from james in Gal2 was such trouble to Paul,Peter and Barnabbas.Consider Lev 5:1 and see if you can see the power of the silence of the Lamb.This is what we teach at the Holy Spirit&#039;s workshop,and it has resulted in the blind seeing,the lame walking,etc..by the disciples.Dr.Ed,manager Holy Spirit&#039;s Workshop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Jesus taught His disciples to eat His flesh and drink His blood,by faith we broke the Law irrevocably and are cut off fromm God by the Law..as such all who have eaten and drunk His flesh and blood are no longer under the Law(Lev 17),but have access to God only through obedience to Jesus&#8217; words,which is why the Father &#8216; commands to disciples is..&#8221;Listen to Him&#8221;. James the younger in Acts 15,brought the church back under the curse of the Law when his judgement was adopted by the Council at Jerusalem,through partial observance of the Law. Hence such confusion now amongst christians. Blood drinkers and  eaters have no access to God through the Law,that is why Paul never agreed with the observance of the law by disciples and that the Law has no power over us.As for the morality that is defined in the Law..the purpose of morality is so that we can be trusted with miraculous power.One of the biggest problem is the loss of personal miraculous power so that anyone who has faith in Jesus can do what he has been doing,and even the greater things so that John14:12 is fulfilled.Most christians practice the words of Jesus without miraculous power,which is like driving a car without a battery. Until a disciple has been endowed with the power of the Holy Spirit to do what Jesus has been doing..open the eyes of the blind,multiply the food..so he can testify for Jesus,it is impossible to see the words of Jesus from his perspective. The law remains valid for jews and nonbelievers..but as for those who have parttaken of His flesh and blood..they are cut of by the Law so that christ alone is our righteuosness..and since he alone is our righteuosness what need have we of anyone else&#8217;s words.Hence the Father only ever commanded disciples to listen to Him..but even the eleven often did not listen to Jesus.It is when one understands how Jesus actually did the redemption and became the sin offering that we might be the righteouness of God, that one can see what an insult partial observance of the law is to God and why the men from james in Gal2 was such trouble to Paul,Peter and Barnabbas.Consider Lev 5:1 and see if you can see the power of the silence of the Lamb.This is what we teach at the Holy Spirit&#8217;s workshop,and it has resulted in the blind seeing,the lame walking,etc..by the disciples.Dr.Ed,manager Holy Spirit&#8217;s Workshop</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did Christ Descend to Hell, Part Three by Chris Cole</title>
		<link>http://thechiefaim.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/did-christ-descend-to-hell-part-three/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the Larger Catechism is helpful here. Q50 asks, &quot;Wherein consisted Christ&#039;s humiliation after his death?&quot; Answer: &quot;Christ&#039;s humiliation after his death consisted in his being buried, and continuing in the state of the dead, and under the power of death till the third day; which has been otherwise expressed in these words, &#039;He descended into hell.&#039;&quot; Johannes Vos comments here, &quot;Our catechism teaches that the words &#039;He descended into hell&#039; refer to Christ&#039;s being buried, and continuing under the power of death for a time, the word hell being understood as &#039;the realm of the power of death.&#039;&quot; In other words, the Creed is merely stating the Christ was truly dead, possibly to counter the heresy of the Docetists, who claimed that He only APPEARED to die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the Larger Catechism is helpful here. Q50 asks, &#8220;Wherein consisted Christ&#8217;s humiliation after his death?&#8221; Answer: &#8220;Christ&#8217;s humiliation after his death consisted in his being buried, and continuing in the state of the dead, and under the power of death till the third day; which has been otherwise expressed in these words, &#8216;He descended into hell.&#8217;&#8221; Johannes Vos comments here, &#8220;Our catechism teaches that the words &#8216;He descended into hell&#8217; refer to Christ&#8217;s being buried, and continuing under the power of death for a time, the word hell being understood as &#8216;the realm of the power of death.&#8217;&#8221; In other words, the Creed is merely stating the Christ was truly dead, possibly to counter the heresy of the Docetists, who claimed that He only APPEARED to die.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did Jesus Descend to Hell? by Did Christ Descend to Hell, Part Two &#171; The Chief Aim</title>
		<link>http://thechiefaim.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/did-jesus-descend-to-hell/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Did Christ Descend to Hell, Part Two &#171; The Chief Aim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christ Descend to Hell, Part&#160;Two March 10, 2009   Did Christ descend to hell? In an earlier post I opened a can of worms by looking at this topic. The Apostles Creed says he did&#8230;or, at [...]</description>
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